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Larry,
I take no offense by your statements. But I am apalled at all the terrible
things that are being done in the US by
people who claim to be the only true believers, people who support: unjust
wars; corporate greed; contempt for those who have different religious
and sexual preferences; defiance of our laws and the attacks on our
constitutional rights; torture, unwarranted electronic spying, abuse of the
natural environment, disdain for the poor, and more. I'm certain that you
are a true believer in a just and compassionate God, and would
never take sides with those who now make our nation the most hated in the
world. Yes, I consider you a friend. Now, on to subjects
related to stereo!
Marshall
----- Original Message -----
From: "lrfbob" <lrfbob(-at-)concentric.
To: <anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: [Anaglyphs] Re: Fish submarine/ Brian
> Brian, I respect your gentle reminder, and I was responding with my
> opinion to Marshall and Dariush. I believe their is a GOD. I meant no
> ill will to either of them. It is what I choose to believe and I am
> happy I had the chance to express my opinion to them. We as
> individuals will always have different opinions but thats all it is,
> our opinion. I use to debate in High School and learned a long time
> ago never to take it personally. I consider you, Marshall and Dariush
> as my 3d anaglyph friends.
> LR
>
> --- In anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Marshall. Although I used the post as a way to reply to the
> subject, it was meant as a gentle reminder for the whole group and
> not directed to single out an individual. This kind of subject is
> just too touchy with no real final answer that would satisfy
> everyone. I could see it going back and forth like a ping pong match
> that could never truly be resolved without someone being hurt
> unnecessarily.
>>
>> Thanks for understanding this potentially delicate matter.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marshall Rubin<mailto:
>> To: anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Anaglyphs] Re: Fish submarine/ Marshall And Dariush
>>
>>
>> I think you're correct. I simply responded to two statements
> aimed at me from two other members, but I agree with you whole-
> heartedly
>>
>> Marshall
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brian Wallace<mailto:
>> To: anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Anaglyphs] Re: Fish submarine/ Marshall And
> Dariush
>>
>>
>> Religion and Politics are probably best avoided for the most
> part in a stereo forum such as this. Especially religion which is
> based on faith and not something that is easily proved or disproved.
> Many people feel strongly one way or another which is entirely their
> choice. I wouldn't want to see these differences come between the
> common ground of this international internet group whose main purpose
> is anaglyphs. Sometimes it's hard enough to just overcome language
> barriers and differences in culture which can lead to
> miscommunication and misinterpretation. Sometimes I think Gug
> suffered from this problem and now he's left the group.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marshall Rubin<mailto:
>> To:
> anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Anaglyphs] Re: Fish submarine/ Marshall And
> Dariush
>>
>>
>> If God created Satan, who is alledged to be evil, than God
> wanted evil to
>> exist. Therefore by that logic, those who are evil are
> simply carrying out
>> God's wishes.
>> Bu since I also don't believe in Satan, that must mean that I
> don't support
>> evil. That must make me good!
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "lrfbob" <lrfbob(-at-)...<
>> To:
> <anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:40 AM
>> Subject: [Anaglyphs] Re: Fish submarine/ Marshall And Dariush
>>
>>
>> > No, it means if you believe in Satan, than you must believe
> there is
>> > a GOD, because GOD created Satan. You choose which one to
> follow.
>> > LR
>> >
>> > --- In
> anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
> Rubin" <mrubin(-at-)>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If Satan believes in God, that must mean that not everyone
> who
>> > believes is
>> >> good. Therefore, not everyone who doesn't believe is bad!
>> >>
>> >> Marshall
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "lrfbob" <lrfbob(-at-)>
>> >> To:
> <anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:23 AM
>> >> Subject: [Anaglyphs] Fish submarine/ Marshall And Dariush
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Even Satan believes in GOD, where does that leave you
> two?
>> >> > LR
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In
> anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
> Rubin" <mrubin(-at-)>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dariush--
>> >> >> I'm no believer in God, either. But we ALL are
> participants in
>> >> > Nature's "carnage." The fact that you are alive is the
> result of
>> >> > something else having given its life for your survival.
>> >> >> It's neither cruel nor benevolent. It just IS.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marshall
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: Dariush Radpour
>> >> >> To:
> anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:43 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Anaglyphs] Marshall/Fish submarine
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes Marshall you are right and that's why I don't
> believe in
>> >> > God! That God who created such creatures that kill other
>> > creatures
>> >> > to survive...! Great job!! But I don't partecipate
> directly
>> >> > and "personaly" to this carnage.. I can't see it,I don't
> want to
>> > see
>> >> > it, otherwise I can't forget it for a long long time.
>> >> >> Thank you,
>> >> >> Dariush
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marshall Rubin <mrubin(-at-)> ha scritto:
>> >> >> Dariush-
>> >> >> Every animal must eat, and it's always at the
> expense of
>> >> > another living creature. If we don't eat plants or
>> >> >> animals (by your definition it's also "cruel" to
> harvest
>> > live
>> >> > wheat), the only palatable substances left are
>> >> >> minerals like salt and water. They're both
> necessary, but
>> > by
>> >> > themselves can't sustain human life.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tropical fish like oscars survive by eating other
> live fish.
>> >> > In addition, if they don't actively chase after their
>> >> >> prey, they become listless, and soon die. Even if
> one has
>> >> > tropical fish that are not
>> >> >> preditory, whatever they eat eventually comes from
> something
>> >> > else that was alive. If you have a dog,
>> >> >> it is mostly carnivorous by nature. We feed them
> products
>> >> > made mostly from the meat of another
>> >> >> creature that had to be slaughtered.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Although I oppose animal cruelty, I don't think of
> it to the
>> >> > apparent degree that you do, and I don't ever
>> >> >> expect to go on a strict diet of salt and water!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marshall
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: Dariush Radpour
>> >> >> To:
> anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:10 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Anaglyphs] Marshall/Fish submarine
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cruel,disgusting and terrible scenario!!! How you
> could do
>> >> > that Marshall?!!
>> >> >> Years ago I closed my friendly relation with a
> man that
>> > fed
>> >> > his snake with a live mouse.There is somethig sadic and
> sick in
>> > this
>> >> > bahaviour that goes beyound my understading.
>> >> >> Ciao cruel man...
>> >> >> Dariush
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marshall Rubin <mrubin(-at-)> ha scritto:
>> >> >> It's so funny. Years ago I had a pet oscar (a
> very
>> > large
>> >> > aquarium fish) that I had to feed live goldfish. This
> sculpture
>> >> > reminds me
>> >> >> of my pet oscar with a goldfish in its mouth,
> being
>> > eaten
>> >> > alive.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marshall
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: Duke
>> >> >> To:
> anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou
> photography(-at-)
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:51 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Anaglyphs] Fish submarine
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or, "A fish in a fish!" Another
> wonderful piece
>> >> > of artwork from the St. James Art Fair in Louisville.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Panasonic Lumix, cha-cha (yes, I know
> the base
>> > is
>> >> > wide), SPM, Photoshop.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Duke
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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