Dear Dariush ,
Nice to talk you again in this forum, you are also one of my teachers
on "antighosting " , I'll never forget these helps !
Concerning window violation (I'll rather call this pop-out) you
absolutely have right to considere it as "mistake" on this
technical
forum. Also playing rock music and even some kind of jazz is always
considered bad and mistake in the music conservatories , they never
even allow the student playing this kind. Also all classical artist
as Leonardo,Vinci. .etc never broke the rules of classical painting,
but Picasso, Dali (Gauidi in architecture) ..they did it..not by
mistake , just they were maybe bored by the strict rules etc..but
still being master of the classical painting (on early stages of
their carrier). So its not a "mistake" to go beyond the rules if you
know and master them, but this is not allowed for the beginners. The
mistake is not a mistake as long as you can master it and then after
have right to go beyond. Now when playing guitar you can choose
between classical, electrical clean sound and distorted sound. This
last sound was discovered by "mistake" using a small amplifier used
at maximum volume, very
ear disturbing sound,long time rejected by
almost all the musicians, but on nowedays this one is much popular
than the other styles and even introduced in symphony orch.
This forum is rather classical conservatory and I fully have respect
on and am gratefull for all the instructions and I recommend every
beginners to learn, apply and master them, later choose their
ways.But still is a place to experiment and share .
As I sad before my goal in 3D is not to make a archive of perfect
pics but to reach street people, to talk their language before
talking mine. I was also one of them before getting in 3D world and
liked always pop outs , ignoring WV , but now I know what is it and
can use and master it according to my goal...so its no more mistake,
just choice..like a distorted sound in guitar (but false note is
still mistake!). So we can discuss here how to allow popouts by
reducing WV effect and
ghosting : 2 major ennemies (how about that?)
Dear Dariush I found very usefull this kind of discussions in the
forum, we should nt always praise each other , critics have much
more improving effect,all are welcome and nourrishing .
I just wanted to share my experiments in the street (!) about what
happening outside this forum..
HAPPY NEW 3D YEARS again to all
cheers
Ender
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anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou ps.com, Dariush Radpour <osservo2000(-at-) ...>
wrote:
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> First of all, Very Happy New Year to all of lovely friends here.
> Well, keep in consideration the "people"s taste and what they
like or not,  we should forget about many aspects of the cultural
and Artistic progress of the man's kind! "People" usually are lazy,
bad informed and sometimes not
informed at all of any new
possibilities and innovative ways to change this world to make it
more sofisticated, fine and noble.Many Artistic and scientific
discoveries wouldn't be happen,if the real Scientists and Artists
(not Merchants of course..)Â were standing still,watching
the "people"s wishes, desires and tastes! Leonardo Da Vinci,
Galilleo, Einstein, Renoir, Picasso, Modigliani, Ansel Adams Madame
Courie, Frank Lloyed Right and many thousands of others, out from
the "people"'s territory... made this world and our life much more
complete and sofisticated, so I am not really so interested
what "people" prefer or not, except when I decide to trade with
them and sell them something!
> The Window Violation is not an opinion in the 3D photography, it's
simply a technical MISTAKE! Playing wrongly a guitare is not a
personal chose but a wrong act, so a MISTAKE as a
Window Violation!
Exactly the same mistake.Can you stand a bad guitar player?
> Cheers,
> Dariush   Â
>
> --- Mer 31/12/08, Betty Drinkut <bettysued(-at-). ..> ha scritto:
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> Da: Betty Drinkut <bettysued(-at-). ..>
> Oggetto: Re: [Anaglyphs] Re: 3D activities in Turkey
> A:
anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou ps.com> Data: Mercoledì 31 dicembre 2008, 13:11
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> Ender,
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> I always seem to take the "path least traveled" and I'm not sure if
it my artistic training or just my eyes/brain but I usually prefer
the window violation - as I am sure Marshall, Shahrokh and Brain,
plus hubby, Steve, will agree that I don't see that effect as a
violation but a bonus. Â There are times it does not work but other
times it adds so
much to the viewing pleasure.
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> I am happy to hear you have done research - I love scientific
research that backs my view point!! ; }
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> Betty
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> From: enderenon <enderenon(-at-)yahoo. com>
> To: anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:51:45 AM
> Subject: [Anaglyphs] Re: 3D activities in Turkey
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> Thank you Betty !
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> One thing surprised me while talking to people: they like pop-out
> pics, they absolutely dont care about window violation ,contrary to
> our "expert" preferences, when I show them 2 samples , they always
> vote for "pushed window".So on my site I tried to violate windows
as
> I could :)..this is also very helpfull to eliminate ghosts
specially
> on printed anaglyphs.
> cheers
> Ender
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> --- In anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou ps.com, Betty Drinkut <bettysued(-at-) ..>
wrote:
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> > Ender,
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> > You are doing a good job of spreading the word - or photos - I
> check out you site and you have some very good views. Personal I
> like the way you "push the window". I especially liked the chicken
> and the stonewall with the arch.
> >
> > Betty
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> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: enderenon <enderenon(-at-) ..>
> > To: anaglyphs(-at-)yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:18:06 AM
> > Subject: [Anaglyphs] 3D activities in Turkey
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> > Hi everybody !
> > I was away from the group since more than a year , in the mean
time
> I
> > was concentrated to spread 3D photo-anaglyph phenomenon to the
> > people on the street. This was my biggest goal to inform people
> from
> > this wonderful (but not perfect) technic since I am involved in
3D
> > but without any
commercial concern. So since Mai 2007 I did many
> > expositions and slide shows and reached some 60.000 people
> (sampling
> > methode used in statistics) experiented this new dimension on
> photo.
> >
> > Some of them:
> >
> > -exhib: French Cultural Center in Istanbul (2 months-10000 visits)
> > -exh: IKEA swedish decoration market chain (3 months- 40.000
> > visits)
> > -exh: Istanbul Municipality on Ship Pier : 1 month - 10.000
> visits
> > + 4 more smaller exh and slide shows reaching some 2000 people.
> >
> > 1500 supporting messages on guestbook ( 20 different
> languages )
> > were my best prize on these activities..
> >
> > Fortunately all these galleries and municipality took all
> expenses,
> > charges themselves.
> >
> > I am just informing these activities not to praise myself but
just
> to
> > prove and encourage some 3D enthousiasts to open
themselves to
the
> > street people and not stay on laboratory and technical level even
> > when the job is not perfect.
> > I would like to share some of the "street people" comments about
> > their experiment later on this group.
> >
> > My web page is unfortunately in turkish but easy to guess what
> is
> > talked about :
> >
> > www.3boyutlufoto. com (means 3dimension photo)
> >
> > and for the activities:
> >
> >
http://imageevent. com/enderenon/ activities
> >
> > your comments are very precious for me as I am born here , and I
> > thank again to the moderator and some members of this group for
> > their help where I got almost all my 3D tech.
> >
> > Cheers to all....and HAPPY 3D YEARS !!
> >
> > Ender Enon
> >
> > www.3boyutlufoto. com
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